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S&S Aqua Logging Legal Fund

Posted by nationalforestlawblog on March 23, 2009 at 8:24 PM

Washington - America's favorite logging team has established its own legal defense fund.  As you may recall, the State of Washington is pursuing the famous Ax Men logging team for failing to have a permit to reclaim those precious logs from area rivers.  To help out the S&S team visit their site here. 

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24 Comments

Reply susanne
02:51 PM on April 04, 2009 
Americas favorite logging team? Are you nuts? The older geezer is a jerk,a loud mouth and a total idiot. The kid needs to leave this moron and get his own life.
Reply A Fan
07:50 PM on April 04, 2009 
You guys are a blast to watch...Hope everything works out well for you guys...somebody needs to get laid (read below) haha
Reply Mr Clean
05:27 PM on April 10, 2009 
These guys are idiots, they say they invented a new way to log, I've known people that have been LEGALLY pulling logs from the Columbia River for years. I can't believe the History Channel went for this, I've seen some stupid things done in the name of making money but come on. The History Channel could have focused on actual loggers instead of these two morons,( I do feel sorry for the son) They have done nothing but make people from Aberdeen look like inbread cousins, oh wait......
Reply axman
01:35 PM on April 11, 2009 
I liked to watch the show until after some googling I found out they're actually doing it illegally! Why there are no more reality shows from real bank robberies, hi speed chases, etc...just ask History channel to join the gang when they're doing 'easy money'! I mean, think about it, who want's to sit on the coutch and watch honest workers anymore...? I do.
Reply zeke
10:54 AM on April 14, 2009 
susanne says...
Couldn't have said it any better...
Americas favorite logging team? Are you nuts? The older geezer is a jerk,a loud mouth and a total idiot. The kid needs to leave this moron and get his own life.
Reply Troy
11:19 PM on April 14, 2009 
I hope these two bozos are put away. They are destructive to the environment, and complete morons. I hope the DNR also goes after them for the destruction they did to the river bank. I guess Jimmy's dad really was smarter with his "8th grade education"
Reply Father Benjamin
10:34 PM on April 20, 2009 
Let them make a living for Christs sake! The Government just wants in on the action since they know there is free money to be made. There is no damage to the river?! It's a river! Yes, the Dad is short tempered and not too bright but the sons, under the breath comments, are quite hilarious. I keep hearing they are ruining the natural way the river runs. Is it okay that man left the logs in the river in the first place? I don't want to hear any more bleeding hearts from ANYONE who drives gas driven vehicles, buy foods wrapped in plastics, use stirofoam at family reunions, buy the best hardwood floors preserved in toxic chemicals, buy your children toxic filled computer games and monitors, use cellphone that put dangerous waves in our atmosphere, buy vegetables that are grown in rodent (animal) killing sprayed fields, get hospital treatment using radiation or getting prescription drugs in which the the makers waste products are emptied back into our waters or have your own laundry washers waste, drain its polluted water back into the earth. Everyone forgets about their own ways they are "illegally" ruining our earth so worry about yourself and you can limit all the other over exausted worrying that otherwise would be an added health risk that limits your lifespan. Jeeeeeeez.....
Reply Joe
01:40 PM on April 21, 2009 
Let them make a living by stealing natural resources? Yeah sure, why don't we all go to water ways and forests and rape the land/ habitat? I am in no way a "tree hugger" but the DNR has rules for a reason and we all must abide by them.
Reply Dave
10:40 PM on April 21, 2009 
Joe says...
Let them make a living by stealing natural resources? Yeah sure, why don't we all go to water ways and forests and rape the land/ habitat? I am in no way a "tree hugger" but the DNR has rules for a reason and we all must abide by them.

That statement makes you a radical treehugger. The logs S&S get were already cut and were being floated down the river when they either sank or jammed. A log in the river is no NATURAL resource. Try and use your brain next time, before you post.
Reply TJ
11:44 PM on April 22, 2009 
Ahhh I just love these loser Tree Huggers!! I say chop down all the trees and pour oil and other chemicals into the water ways!! Like George Carlin once said "Who the hell are we to think that us little pee-ons can destroy the earth". This is a case of the state of Washington wanting a cut of the money pathetic
Reply Roof
10:43 PM on May 04, 2009 
Dave says...
That statement makes you a radical treehugger. The logs S&S get were already cut and were being floated down the river when they either sank or jammed. A log in the river is no NATURAL resource. Try and use your brain next time, before you post.

Dave, Dave, Dave.... Speaking of using your brain first... did you even READ what the DNR said about the case? Do you not understand that when a tree sinks into the water (for any reason) and stays there for YEARS it then becomes a PART of that environment? If you didn't read it the first time around here it is again :
?These are valuable materials that belong to the public and this looks like theft, plain and simple,They are part of the functioning ecosystem, so removing the log would be like removing part of the bed,? state Public Lands Commissioner Peter Goldmark said.

Logs provide a key function for rivers in trapping sediment, harboring insects and other food for fish, and creating pools and riffles where fish can rest, said Greg Hueckel, fish and wildlife habitat programs director.

Hueckel said his agency typically grants permits to remove logs in situations where flooding causes log jams. It?s unlikely that a permit would be granted for timber harvest, he said.

Now YES I agree that those "deadheads" sticking out of the water were very dangerous, and had Mr. Smith gotten legal permission to remove those there would not be any complaints. However, he took it on himself to remove those. As a retired logger he knows he has to go through proper channels to make a living.
Reply sr
05:55 AM on May 13, 2009 
we love you guys, good luck!
Reply ryan
09:24 PM on May 18, 2009 
I knew from the first show that these guys were about dumbasses and didnt stand a chance at succeding the son seemed ok but his dad world class moron
Reply Bill
04:56 PM on August 07, 2009 
There is nothing environmental about the logs in the tidal areas of Grays Harbor and Willapa Bay. Most of these logs are a result of logging operations from the past and were not a part of the original environment. The idea of pools, riffles, and trapping sediment are just plain silly. These rivers reverse flow every 6 hours and the so called sediment is black mud that is up to 2 feet deep. Go wade in the mud and observe the junk floating back and forth with the tides. It looks to me as if the negative comments are from tree huggers that have no idea of what the real environment in the Northwest is about. Jimmy: Get a permit, but it will probably take 10 years for an environmental impact study. And how about when all of the log rafts in the river were a detriment to the river ecology; what changed to make logs in the river a good thing?
Reply John
03:42 PM on August 30, 2009 
Good Luck with the new boat...and cut the kid a bit of slack
Reply Ron
08:55 PM on January 10, 2010 
The logs contained in the rivers of Washington or any other river in the united states are NOT the property of the state or federal government, they are litter by definition, and have not occurred naturally by way of growth under water, I am certain if a group of people , or individuals were to remove common trash or other debris from the rivers they would be applauded, the removal of these logs is not a criminal act, of course I have read a lot as to these men being criminals, has anyone failed to see or even given notice that the IRS is not involved, oh, they must of paid there taxes then, I am sure that once this is challenged they will be victorious, if these rivers were to flood there banks and deposit these logs onto private property, would the State pay the landowner to remove them, No, and since the State has claimed ownership of said Logs I am assuming that if a person, or family were to drown as a result of the "deadheads" the the State of Washington would be liable for the value of the lives that there "proprty" has caused the deaths of ? "ATTENTION ALL RESIDENTS OF THE STATE OF WASHINGTON, IF YOU OR ANY VESSEL HAS BEEN DAMAGED AS A RESULT OF THE TIMBER IN ANY AND ALL RIVERS WITHIN SAID STATE, THEN CONTACT THE DNR AND REQUEST IMMEDIATE REIMBURSMENT BECAUSE THEY HAVE PUBLICLY ADMITTED OWNERSHIP OF THAT WITH CAUSED YOU HARM"
Reply ken
12:23 AM on January 11, 2010 
The nail has been hit on the head, and so should these inbread morons! You can't just do what you want, but these guys are too inbread to think about any consequences.
Reply Me
03:46 PM on January 11, 2010 
Jimmy is a jerk and not too bright sometimes, but he IS trying to better himself and his family with and innovating business. He days he contacted the DNR and they told him he could harvest without a permit. Now they reverse that - typical government.

"Action News called up Jimmy Smith Saturday he says he's done nothing wrong and that he got approval from DNR reps in Olympia. "I've asked the DNR several different times you know, can I do this? And they told me anything in that river is fair game that was just like three weeks ago I talked to them," says Smith."
Reply sensible
03:53 PM on January 11, 2010 
axman says...
I liked to watch the show until after some googling I found out they're actually doing it illegally! Why there are no more reality shows from real bank robberies, hi speed chases, etc...just ask History channel to join the gang when they're doing 'easy money'! I mean, think about it, who want's to sit on the coutch and watch honest workers anymore...? I do.


The government says it is illegal. That does NOT make it illegal, just means it is politically advantageous for them to go after this guy to make some kind of statement. The Government will stroke you with one hand and stab you with the other. I think that is what they did with S&S.
Reply Danny
04:12 AM on February 18, 2010 
Ron says...
The logs contained in the rivers of Washington or any other river in the united states are NOT the property of the state or federal government, they are litter by definition, and have not occurred naturally by way of growth under water, I am certain if a group of people , or individuals were to remove common trash or other debris from the rivers they would be applauded, the removal of these logs is not a criminal act, of course I have read a lot as to these men being criminals, has anyone failed to see or even given notice that the IRS is not involved, oh, they must of paid there taxes then, I am sure that once this is challenged they will be victorious, if these rivers were to flood there banks and deposit these logs onto private property, would the State pay the landowner to remove them, No, and since the State has claimed ownership of said Logs I am assuming that if a person, or family were to drown as a result of the "deadheads" the the State of Washington would be liable for the value of the lives that there "proprty" has caused the deaths of ? "ATTENTION ALL RESIDENTS OF THE STATE OF WASHINGTON, IF YOU OR ANY VESSEL HAS BEEN DAMAGED AS A RESULT OF THE TIMBER IN ANY AND ALL RIVERS WITHIN SAID STATE, THEN CONTACT THE DNR AND REQUEST IMMEDIATE REIMBURSMENT BECAUSE THEY HAVE PUBLICLY ADMITTED OWNERSHIP OF THAT WITH CAUSED YOU HARM"


I totaly agree although im not from washinton we have a similar river here thats full of these trees and logs. steamboats used to navigate this river but now you cant even in a flat bottom boat without hitting a tree or log. all the trees and logs cause sand to build up so much that in late summer you can wade across the river in places and not even get your knees wet. and because of this thousands of acres of trees have died from the back water because the river couldnt shed the water fast enough from heavy rains. i see some here saying (this is harboring insects and other food for fish, and creating pools and riffles where fish can rest) it createing resting place alright "A FINALE RESTING PLACE after they become traped in the shallow water . so everone here squaking about the environment needs to take this into consideration first.